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I was absolutely disgusted by the following statements of Rick Santorum (trying to run for president for the republican party) about the Netherlands.



I really can't believe that there are people in the US who are buying this shit. If this guy gets to be the president, then I really hope the Dutch government will lessen the contact with this country. Ugh.

Luckily someone digged up the real facts about the Netherlands on Reddit:
Ok for the record, let's just check what he is saying:

There is a "do not euthanize" bracelet In the Netherlands, because half the people that are euthanized are euthanized involuntarily

False, no such bracelets exist, and every euthanasia case must start with a request from the patient. Neither the family nor the doctor can initiate the procedure, which has very clear rules:
• the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement
• the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)
• the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects and options
• there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above
• the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, in which case the doctor must be present
• the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)

More on the wiki.
10% of all deaths are from euthanasia

False. In 2010, 136058 people died in the Netherlands, of which 3136 through (reported) euthanasia. That is 2,3%. Of course not every case will be reported, but I assume most of them will, because when a doctor does not follow the guidelines that have been set in Dutch law for euthanasia (including reporting it to a review committee), it is still illegal, so that would be a huge risk to take for the doctor.

Elderly people in the Netherlands don't go the hospital, they go to another country, because they're afraid, because of budget purposes, that they will not come out of that hospital

While it is true that a growing number of people go to Belgian and German hospitals for non-urgent treatments, this is because of the shortage in healthcare professionals in the Netherlands, because of the population ageing, resulting in waiting lists in Dutch hospitals. This is still a fairly small amount, around 2% of operations on Dutch patients is done in foreign hospitals. But it certainly has nothing to do with 'budget purposes'. The Netherlands is in the top20 for both life expectancy and on the WHO ranking of healthcare systems, well above the US, which I assume would be harder if we were just killing old people left and right.
And thank God there are some well thinking citizens in the US. The comments on Reddit are hilarious: http://www.reddit.com/r/Netherlands/com ... ns/c3sm3rm

For the Americans part of this board, I don't mean to offend you. I trust you'll won't buy into these stories easily. But being a Dutchmen and seriously proud of all the freedom (for abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage etc. etc.), I'm really appalled by false statements like these.... just had to get this off my chest.

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I think Logan's Run had the right idea.....bump people off when they reach 40. :shock:
From a purely logical point of view of stabilising the world population, that isn't actually a bad idea?

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Paul, have you seen Dan Savage's definition of "Santorum"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_f ... _neologism

Dan Savage is an author, hilarious sex advice columnist, and creator of the awesome It Gets Better Project:
http://www.itgetsbetter.org/
(Dan Savage for President!)

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Angie, the new definition of Sanatorum is indeed hilarious.... :mrgreen: Hadn't heard of it yet, but it's good to see that this action has been up since 2004. ^

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