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Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:42 am
by blue
:D :D

If everyone could write that big, it'd be a real help to me. :lol:

Good to know you can actually decipher my posts, I was convinced they must be full of spelling mistakes. I must be insane continuing to try to read and post when I can barely see the screen.

I've been continuing to write my current story as well, but I've had to do what you did above Dave and increase the font size considerably. :lol:

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:05 am
by RobB
Hopefully this message will even glow in the dark. :mrgreen:

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:41 pm
by aermancer
blue wrote:I think if you compare ADP to the old stuff, yeah, obviously, it's nowhere near as great or moving or epic or intimate or all the other things that we adore the old stuff for. I'd much rather Tori was true to her real gifts as a songwriter/pianist/vocalist, I'd love her to get back to where she once was artistically, but I don't think it's going to happen now.
yeah i shouldn't bring it up anymore but it's still bothersome and depressing that her music's gone south.

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:25 pm
by blue
Of course you should bring it up if you want to talk about it! That's what the thread is for, discussion of all things Amos. That includes what annoys or disappoints you. Go back a few pages to when we heard the first clips from ADP and you'' see that the reaction wasn't exactly thrilled. I was hugely disappointed when I heard the clips of Big Wheel and Bouncing Off Clouds and realised that this was not going to be the return to artistic form I'd hoped it would be. I'm still isappointed about that, but I just decided to try and guage the album on what it was clearly intended to be - a big pop/rock album, with lots of nods to 60s and 70s icons. I enjoy it on that level. I heard Boucning Off Clouds in the supermarket today and nearly fell over laughing at the very idea of Tori being played in a supermarket. :D Thing is, regardless of our disappointment and frustration and our perception that she's let her true talent down on this record, ADP was never intended to be anything other than a very accessible, mainstream pop/rock album and there's no point approaching it on any other level. Tori made exactly the record she wanted to make.

Personally I question her judgement and her motives - I think she got seduced by the wealthy lifestyle that became available to her, and she's directed her talent towards maintaining that rather than nourishing her artistic ability - but I don't feel a need to take that out on the record itself, because I enjoy a lot of it. I've probably played this album more than any other Tori album over the last few months.

I'm pinning my hopes on the fact that she IS clearly motivated by providing a good lifestyle for herself and her family - it must surely have dawned on her that she hasn't made anything like the money from TBK and ADP as she did from previous records. That alone could bring her to her senses and make her realise that the most rewarding path for her is to be true to her real gifts.

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:29 pm
by blue
RobB wrote:Hopefully this message will even glow in the dark. :mrgreen:
:D :D

It does!

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:24 am
by aermancer
my friend and i were taking the piss the other day thinking of ways we could get Tori to go back to her old style, since we're always whining about how we don't much care for her music lately. This is the result, but we would never want Tori to go back to her old way if she didn't want to, it's just a joke.

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TORI AMOS : LAVA LEGS

News of Tori's new album comes to us today, her first album since the encounter with two psychotic fans that left her a few feet shorter and rendered a great many pair of Manolos obsolete. The pair, aermancer and Elkie of the Bjork 4um, cut her legs off with a rusty hacksaw whilst she was sleeping in her Cornwall home, in hopes that it would ruin Tori and she would return to creating dark and angry music again. Their plan worked flawlessly, although they were not spared by the outraged "Ears-with-feet", more commonly known as Tori l00ns, or Toriphiles. aermancer and Elkie were thrown into a mob of rabid l00ns and were torn limb from limb, never to saw off a pair of legs again.

This album is Tori's darkest since Boys For Pele. Titled Lava Legs, as a nod to Boys for Pele, and a nod to her now defunct legs.

Out August 4, 2008 on Epic Records.


01 Ankles Away
02 Ode To My Stumps
03 No More Manolos
04 On My Last Leg
05 Achilles and Patella
06 Steel Toed
07 The Can't-Can't
08 Sea Legs
09 One Fiery Foot Out The Door
10 Head Over Heels
11 Just For Kicks
12 Throw Your Legs To The Volcano
13 Scarlet's Walk

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:05 am
by aermancer
here's different artwork before we remembered she didn't have legs so we couldn't use it

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Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:58 am
by blue
OMG. :shock: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Those titles actually sound really Tori-ish as well. :lol: 8)

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:49 am
by RobB
Nice artwork. 8)

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:22 am
by aermancer
:mrgreen: thanks!

anyone heard anything about her new project?

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:41 pm
by RobB
aermancer wrote:anyone heard anything about her new project?
yeah,its called Lava Legs. :mrgreen:

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:18 pm
by barrett
RobB wrote:
aermancer wrote:anyone heard anything about her new project?
yeah,its called Lava Legs. :mrgreen:
AKA -Volcano Thighs [fire]

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:38 pm
by blue
Personally I'm really looking forward to the 'Stumps On Fire' world tour. :lol:

She's now well into the writing of the musical, Aermancer. She's working with people from the National Theatre and a well-respected playwright (the guy who adapted Almodovar's 'All About My Mother' for the stage, forget his name), and has talked recently about how the discipline of having to meet other people's expectations is good for her. Hang on, I'll see if I can find a link to the interview.

OK, couldn't find the original link, but someone on @ typed the whole thing out, it's from 'Geek Monthly'. :mrgreen:


We said…: She said…
Doll: Parts
Horses: Lakota—Native American
Geek: Computers
Acrobat: Nimble
iPOD: Porn
Dragon: Warm
Digital: Ghost
Britney Spears: Fragmented
Librarian: Complicated
American: Searching

Geek Love: Tori Amos opens up about her love of geeks, doll parts, and her newest—and geekiest—project
by David Michael Conner

“I like walking both sides. It’s really sexy to me to walk that tightrope.”

Tori Amos is talking about her newest project—a challenge that many have told her is destined to fail.

Amos has been criticized for being too complex in her arrangements, too obtuse in her lyrics, too disparate in her associations. But she’s never been accused of being too simple.

Amos loves words. When asked the geekiest thing about her, she responds easily, “I have quite a library…factual books: historical, mythological, dictionaries. See, I’m ready if all the power goes out. I have all these reference books.” When asked for one word in response to “Britney Spears,” she responds with “fragmented” (see sidebar).

Interesting thought, especially when considered alongside her latest concept album, American Doll Posse. Amos has picked herself apart into a band of five “dolls” (represented in the video for “Big Wheel,” the first single, in stop-motion doll animation): Isabel (the HisTORIcal figure), Clyde (ClitTORIdes), Pip (ExpiraTORIal), Santa (SanaTORIum) and Tori (TerraTORIes). Yes, even “Tori” herself has an abstract correlate. But wait, there’s more: Each of the dolls represents a modern-day take on a goddess from the Ancient Greek pantheon, and represents a part of the fragmented female psyche of the Common Era.

Whew.

If she sees Britney as fragmented, it’s only fair. Amos has fragmented herself with the newest album, taking the idea as far as to isolate the concept of the “Tori” persona from her whole identity.

Given all this information up front, one might expect the album to be a musical dissertation, but the truth is, removed from its concept, American Doll Posse is Amos’s most rocking endeavor since 1998’s from the choirgirl hotel, a rock-techno hybrid lauded by fans and critics alike. ADP is much more organic, more classic-rock, influenced, she says, “by the male rock gods of the 1970s and 80s.”

But she knows geeks have a thing for technology and all things electronic. Will she get techno on us again?

“It’s hard to know what the future holds,” Amos says. “I’ve surrounded myself with people who have educated themselves as far as what’s going on in music on the technical side. It’s such a vast field. I’ve pulled together a team of people to make a record. And everybody brings different expertise, so even though I’m not personally able to do it, I have a pretty good instinct and I pull people together. I hold a space for them to feel that they’re respected enough to challenge the project and to not feel as if they’re going to get shot down because they recommend something.

“I mean, the whole thing about all this is…you might have somebody come in and offer up this idea [for electronic music] but today there are a lot of cheesy keyboards that are trying to be what the classics were.” Amos doesn’t do cheesy—so she finds talented geeks for collaboration. Case in point: Her sound engineer, Mark Hawley.

“He is one of the coolest geeks in the world.” So much so, she says, that “I married him.”

Yes, Tori Amos, one of the coolest musical artists of the ’90s, who once famously dated Nine Inch Nails’s Trent Reznor, married an English techno-geek. The truth is, at the end of almost every one of her far-reaching tendrils can a geek be found: She is close friends with comic book writer, novelist and screenwriter Neil Gaiman—they’re so close that he’s embedded in lyrics on almost every one of her albums, and she inspired a talking tree character as well as the image of Death in his megahit Sandman comic book series. And while trendy gay men may worship Kylie Minogue, Madonna or even, yes, Britney Spears, Amos has a firm hold on gay geeks across the globe. And she’s about to get a lot gayer and a bit geekier with her new project.

Tori Amos is developing a musical with the British National Theatre. “The Light Princess” is based on a fairy tale written by George MacDonald in 1846. (“But I won’t be confined to a time—no way, no how.”) A surefire hit? Amos laughs. She knows it’s the highest tightrope she’s ever walked, career-wise, anyway.

“You have to know that I’m very aware of the statistics of how many contemporary composers tank when they write a musical.” Here, she giggles, “People kiiiiiiiiindly just say, ‘Heads up, Tor, you’ve gotta know, you’re walking into a sonic minefield.’ And sometimes they’ll mention names of everybody that’s made a musical and it doesn’t work.

“I say to them, look, you’re right…I know you can really mess up. What you can’t do is enter and think you’re just making another album. You have to go in and work as a team, and that’s the one thing about working with the British National Theatre: You come in as a team. No man is an island. You can’t just go off and…make this radical one-woman show.”

Amos likes discipline. “It’s a blessing that I have to work within these constraints. I think that’s kind of…good for me,” she says, again laughing. “In no uncertain terms, when you work with the British National Theatre, you know what your gig is. I’m the composer. I write the songs. I’m not involved in the casting. I’m there to make sure that the singers and the actors have the best material they could possibly have.”

The normally bold Amos sounds almost intimidated as she raves about the company involved in the production. “The playwright is one of the most exciting in England right now—and he’s a proper playwright. He’s not a book writer who’s trying his hand at the stage. He’s a playwright. He’s adapted Chekhov for the stage and just adapted [Pedro Almodóvar’s] All About My Mother for the British National Theatre…And he’s really helping me with the form and…you know, the form is on one hand pretty strict, and on the other hand, the world is your oyster. And I know that’s a paradox.”

Amos is fine with that. She’s a paradox, after all. The daughter of a minister, her music has been called by some sacrilegious, by others a religious experience; that same minister father got her career started in gay piano bars in Washington, D.C. after she argued her way out of the Peabody Conservatory at age 12; her name is known by most, but not many are familiar with her musical oeuvre; and while many people can’t get into her complex lyrics, those who do are, with few exceptions, absolutely obsessed with All Things Tori.

Which should help the musical succeed. She says the British National Theatre is not concerned with ticket sales, “and I come from the position that, well, why can’t a lot of people like this and we still keep the artistic integrity? That’s difficult to do. You’re walking on both sides. But I like walking on both sides, on that tightrope. It’s really sexy to me to walk that tightrope.”

Whether Amos goes by her birth name, Myra Ellen, or Tori, or “Pip,” “Clyde,” “Santa,” “Isabel,” or even the doll “Tori,” she is a one-woman high wire show. And it’s not easy work: “We gave everything we had to American Doll Posse. Talk about the energy on the writing, the recording, the visuals and live show…you look at it all together and it’s taken more brain power than I have. I’ve been taking so many DHEA Neuromins, I’m telling you right now,” she laughs. “At least they’re strawberry flavored so I don’t smell like fish oil.”

Amos says a Light Princess soundtrack will be made available, but “that’s down the road. First it’s got to be written. It’s sort of slated for the fall of 2009, and a lot of work is going into it as we speak.”

One more question: Of the dolls, who’s the biggest geek?

“Pip, because she’s into computers. But she’s a geek in rubber,” Amos coos in her playful rasp. “One must remember that at all times.”

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:51 pm
by aermancer
hopefully (if it's good) she does a recording of it with her voice in addition to any cast recording there might be..

Re: The Tori Thread

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:39 am
by blue
I'm sure there'll be a 'Tori' version as well as a cast version. The woman has a huge ego, she's not going to be able to stop herself. :D