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Shakespeare's words
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:00 pm
by alx5962
While surfing, I found this website about him.
http://www.nosweatshakespeare.com/shake ... hrases.htm
Those words were first used by Shakespeare, and they are used daily!
It's amazing to discover how a single person changed the english language!
accommodation
aerial
amazement
apostrophe
assassination
auspicious
baseless
bloody
bump
castigate
changeful
clangor
control (noun)
countless
courtship
critic
critical
dexterously
dishearten
dislocate
dwindle
eventful
exposure
fitful
frugal
generous
gloomy
gnarled
hurry
impartial
inauspicious
indistinguishable
invulnerable
lapse
laughable
lonely
majestic
misplaced
monumental
multitudinous
obscene
palmy
perusal
pious
premeditated
radiance
reliance
road
sanctimonious
seamy
sportive
submerge
suspicious
Re: Shakespeare's words
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:43 pm
by blue
Not to mention all the idioms and maxims in current use, still. People are always surprised when you tell them something they've said was originated by Shakespeare.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:56 pm
by sound world
I'd be very surprised to find that those words were 'first used' by Shakespeare.I think maybe 'first used in a piece of literature' might be more accurate.
But no taking away from the primacy of the Bard.It's the way he used those words for poetic and meaningful ways to mirror the varied experiences of humanity that makes him so great.eg:-
'I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
What a piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust? man delights not me: no, nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so.'
Hamlet,Act 2,Scene 2
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:26 am
by blue
Shall we have a fave Shakespeare thread?

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:16 am
by d.a.walker
When I did my A'Levels 78,000 years ago, we had to do Hamlet, and our very femminist tutor Ms Walker (no relation) despised Ophelia so much that she insisted on reading her part during tutorial, so she could add a pathetic fey voice to the woman she regarded as a 'stupid b!tc#!'
She thought she was a disgrace to womankind...
hehe she obviously felt very strongly about the matter

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:52 am
by sound world
blue wrote:Shall we have a fave Shakespeare thread?

Would it fit the whole of 'King Lear' and 'The Tempest' in?

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:11 pm
by gerryuk
Bloomin Shakespeare the most over rated individual in world history, (the quality of mercy is not strained my arse) can we have a most over-rated individual in history thread instead.
I will(no pun intended) start:
Shakespeare, William esquire
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:02 pm
by blue
d.a.walker wrote:When I did my A'Levels 78,000 years ago, we had to do Hamlet, and our very femminist tutor Ms Walker (no relation) despised Ophelia so much that she insisted on reading her part during tutorial, so she could add a pathetic fey voice to the woman she regarded as a 'stupid b!tc#!'
She thought she was a disgrace to womankind...
hehe she obviously felt very strongly about the matter

Which sort of illustrates my own long-held theory that there's common-ground between some brands of 'feminist' and all brands of misogynist - they both hate women who aren't what they've decided a woman should be.
I love Ophelia, I think Shakespeare actually did something rather extraordinary with her, which was to compress and amplify an experience that's common enough to most women for it be almost a female rite-of-passage; that moment when, for the first devastating time, you see the mask of charm fall off a man to reveal a depth of deceit and cowardice underneath. The first time it happens to you, which is invariably when you're first embarking on relationships, the psychological shock is enormous, because it's so unexpected and has such terrifying implications for future interaction with men. It's this shock and the dreadful realisation it brings that disturbs Ophelia's mind, to the point where she decides she simply can't live in this world. Given the character is written by a man, I think it's actually a very compassionate expression. He's observed something about the human condition and given us Ophelia to make us see it.
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:29 pm
by gerryuk
gerryuk wrote:Bloomin Shakespeare the most over rated individual in world history, (the quality of mercy is not strained my arse) can we have a most over-rated individual in history thread instead.
I will(no pun intended) start:
Shakespeare, William esquire

the man doth protest too much methinks
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:20 pm
by blue
Are you saying you've changed your mind about the great man, gerry, or just lamenting the fact that no-one shares your opinion of him?
Why do you think he's over-rated, I'm puzzled by that? I can absolutely understand someone just finding Shakespeare too difficult or too boring or obscure, I think many people feel that way, but I don't think I've come across anyone who thinks he's over-rated before.
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:13 am
by gerryuk
Well it's nice to be different

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I think the problem is way too much attention is taken up with Shakespeare to the detriment of other great writers and poets, I would take Plath or Keats, Dostoyevesky or Faulkner over Uncle Bill any day.
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:08 pm
by blue
Ah right, got you. I know there's been a debate for some time about the merits of teaching Shakespeare in schools to kids who find it too difficult and would benefit more from studying modern literature. I can see the argument, to be honest, but I would hope kids would still get some exposure to Shakespeare as a normal part of their education.